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Does Character Count? A (Scary) Look at Hillary Clinton

October 31, 2013 at 5:00 am / by

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Florida PolitiChick Carolyn Elkins was born and raised in Canada but is now a proud citizen of the United States. She loves everything about America, especially the military. She has blogged about politics,… More
 
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“Character is much easier kept than recovered.”  ~Thomas Paine

Does character matter in our society?  It used to matter a great deal.  Modesty was once considered a great virtue.  It used to be that a man’s word was good enough, and a handshake was taken as a pledge or promise.  It used to be that an oath given, sworn to be the whole truth and nothing but was sworn on the highest Moral Authority, on God, so help me, and by placing ones hand on the Bible, the code book of moral instruction.

People still do swear to tell the truth, but do they know any more on whose truth they swear by?  Swearing an oath and having your word mean something seems to be just empty tradition to many, and I have to wonder how many people even think about the meaning behind the point of it.

When it comes to business, and the practice of hiring corporate leaders, the person doing the hiring must check on the potential employee’s loyalty, past behavior, business experience and practices, and be able to judge whether or not the applicant is honest or not.  In other words, the person’s character is under scrutiny and everything must be presented, it is crucial to any hiring practice.  They have to make sure the person they hire is going to work in the corporation’s best interest, to be fair and honest when dealing with other employees, the company shareholders and clients.

While there is no litmus test when it comes to hiring those who are elected to public office, it would be interesting to see what things would be like if we actually had those who apply for the job of congress, senate or president fill out an application and have an interview the same way businesses do when they hire.

The United States is not a corporation, but the government in essence is like a business, and like any employer, we the people ought to be checking with the same diligence as corporations do when hiring.  We should be able to check references to be able to see how they would represent our company and deal with clients.  It would also be wise to make sure our potential employee understands our Corporate Laws and more importantly, abide by them.

I’d like to run a test application and, for the heck of it, focus on Hilary Clinton.  There’s no official word from her that she is running in 2016, but things have been shaping up in that direction for some time.  Let’s see what we would find on her application for CEO of The United States of America:

Education History- Hillary Rodham attended Wellesley College, where she was active in student politics and was elected senior class president before graduating in 1969 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in political science.  In 1969, while at Wellesley Rodham wrote a 92-page senior thesis “There Is Only the Fight . . . “An Analysis of the Alinsky Model which was based on radical community organizer Saul Alinsky.  She tried to liken him to American social activists such as Martin Luther King and Walt Whitman.  It doesn’t seem to matter that she found a guy who dedicated his book “Rules for Radicals” to Satan, appealing.

She then attended Yale Law School, served on the editorial board of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action. In 1970, she was awarded a grant to work at the Washington Research Project (which later became the Children’s Defense Fund) and was assigned to Senator Walter Mondale’s Subcommittee on Migratory Labor. It was during her time at Yale when she met Bill Clinton.

Employment History- In the summer of 1972, Hillary worked in the western states for the campaign of Democratic presidential nominee George McGovern.  In 1974, she became a member of the presidential impeachment inquiry staff, advising the Judiciary Committee of the House of Representatives during the Watergate Scandal.  Later the same year she became a faculty member of the University of Arkansas Law School in Fayetteville.

After marrying Bill Clinton, Hillary worked on Jimmy Carter’s 1976 campaign for president while Bill was elected Attorney General of Arkansas.

In 1977 Hillary Clinton joined the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock and while husband Bill was Governor of Arkansas she also served on boards for TCBY and Wal Mart.

When Bill was elected President, the Clintons invested in Whitewater Real Estate and Land Development with their good friends James and Susan McDougal who also owned the Madison Guarantee Savings and Loan, which financed the Whitewater venture.   The Savings and Loan failed, costing the federal government $73 million, and the investigations resulted in 9 individuals pleading guilty to various crimes, and 5 others being found guilty including Clinton’s close friends Judge David Vale and Susan McDougal.

In 2000, while Bill, by then, known as Slick Willie was still president, Hillary ran for Senate in New York, which she won and then was reelected.

After a failed campaign for Presidency, she was appointed by Obama as Secretary of State.

Money Management/Financial Experience- In 1978 and 79, while First Lady in Little Rock, Hillary engaged in a series of trades of cattle futures contracts which turned a $1000 investment into $100,000 after just 10 months.  By having advice and help from Attorney and friend, James Blair, who traded through former Tyson foods executive and fellow commodities trader Robert Bone of Refco  she swore she didn’t receive preferential treatment, yet navigated a volatile commodities market like the most seasoned pro.

Personnel Experience- In the early time in the Clinton White House, Hillary with help from White House Council fired the entire White House Travel Department staff.  They were replaced with Arkansas friends and relatives by Harry Thomason who was a friend, campaign donor and part owner of a travel consultant firm.  The unusual fact of the firing is that the Travel Dept. was during multiple presidencies since the JFK administration, the best run operation of the White House and many of the employees who had been fired had been loyal and beloved workers to presidents and staff from both political parties.

Character References:  Below is a list of personal friends and/or colleagues of the Clintons. Unfortunately we cannot rely on most of these listed because all but one are dead.

Vince Foster- best friend, partner at Rose Law Firm; died from apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound even though first responders and witness said there was no gun near the body.  Later when a gun was mysteriously found, it was a colt .38 which would have blown off the back of Forester’s head, yet the exit wound was small and there was no spray pattern at the scene where Forester’s body had been laid out at Fort Marcy Park. This happened during the Whitewater investigation.

Ron Brown – was Bill Clinton’s Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman who was reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. All others on board died as well.

Barbara Wise –was a Commerce Department staffer who worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death was unknown yet her bruised body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

Charles Meissner –was Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

Ed Willey – a Clinton fund raiser, was found dead in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head which was also ruled a suicide. He was the husband of Kathleen Willey who had reportedly had an affair with Bill.

James Wilson – Having ties to Whitewater, he was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide.

Kathy Ferguson- Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide.  Danny her ex was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

Bill Shelton – Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. He was outspoken and denied the suicide ruling and was found dead of a gunshot wound which was also ruled a suicide.

Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General, died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, yet another death ruled a suicide.

Florence Martin – Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.

Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter who was investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Danny Casolaro was found dead June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment.

Barry Seal -Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, murdered.

Kevin Ives & Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury

Stanley Huggins – Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.

James McDougal – Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.

Christopher Stevens- Friend of Hillary’s, US Ambassador to Libya died after being tortured, reportedly raped and murdered by Islamic terrorists who attacked the compound in Benghazi, where 3 other Americans died; Sean Smith, Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods, the latter two fending off hundreds of terrorists while calling repeatedly for help which never came.

In the words of Hillary, what difference does it make?  All these people are dead, so we cannot have them speak on her behalf.  Only one remains who perhaps knows Hilary more than any other, but my instinct tells me that Hilary’s closest friend, and personal assistant with Muslim brotherhood connections, Huma Abadin will never talk.

 
 

Carolyn Elkins

Florida PolitiChick Carolyn Elkins was born and raised in Canada but is now a proud citizen of the United States. She loves everything about America, especially the military. She has blogged about politics, religious and social issues on her own blogs. A staunch Constitutional Conservative, she studies the Founders and their writings, and uses what she learns to try and educate others. She is the founder of the Constitutional Freedom Party. She is married with one child and has taught American Government and Constitution to her home school co-op group of 12- 14 year olds, instilling in the future generations with a love of America's Constitutional Republic. You can visit her via the Constitutional Freedom Party blog, on twitter @ABiCduckie and @CFP4US

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  • Swamp Fox

    Hey Duckie! What a perfect article to release on Halloween! Scary, scary, scary! ;-)

    As usual, another great article. I remember all of the Clinton’s past quite vividly due to living through those days, but it is great that you remind and/or educate everyone about their more-than-tainted past.

    Hope all is well and thanks again for the superb piece you penned. HAPPY HALLOWEEN!

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanDuckie

      lol Thank you Swamp Fox, shrew is a good name. I don’t think there’s any chance of taming this one.
      Thank you for reading and the excellent comment :)

      • janmaus

        And of course you know how truly unpleasant a shrew is. In modern slang, it’s used to describe a rather nasty and controlling woman, but in nature, it’s a very vicious little animal–venomous, voracious, and likely to eat everything in its path

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanDuckie

          An apt description…. oh I’m sorry, I thought you were talking about the actual animal. My mistake! ;)

  • PJRodman

    Duckie, you didn’t mention that she was fired from the Watergate Commission….http://www.caintv.com/watergate-era-judiciary-chief
    for….lying.

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanDuckie

      I’m sure I didn’t mention a lot of things, but yeah, that’s a biggie. My failure to find that one. Thank you PJ- why doesn’t it shock me that she was fired from the Watergate Commission, because after all, what difference does it make?
      sigh. Thank you for posting the link here- hopefully folks will see it and read!

      • PJRodman

        No problem. Her “character” isn’t very hard to question is it? There’s as much stuff to find as the never ending laundry list of scandals surrounding the Obamas. It is unbelievable to me that we’ve had 2 such incredibly slimy administrations with both Clinton and Obama….and now the democrats seriously support another Clinton? Your point is well taken. Character may not matter at all anymore.

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanDuckie

          Thanks PJ. I think a years’ worth of articles could focus just on the endless list of both administrations. You are so right.

          • ADRoberts

            This list is VERY SHORT. I have a copy of one that was posted several years back. It counted 167 and counting DEAD who had been associated with Clintons.
            I guess you could say that IT IS NOT HEALTHY to be friends of Clintons. LOL

        • ADRoberts

          Compliments of the bilderbergs. (Rick Perry is a bilderberg too. Newt Gingrich is a CFR and that is the sister organization of the bilderbergs.)

    • Patriot077

      Wow! I had never heard about that. Really interesting stuff and totally believable. Thanks!

      • sandraleesmith46

        Good, because it’s true.

    • Nolan Ashman

      Want another Halloween scare? HILLARY in 2016. Now that should make you drop something in your jeans.

  • http://wolfiehowls.com/ Wolfie

    Duckie, the ball park called, they want their ball back! Awesome article!

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanDuckie

      You’re sweet Wolfie. Thank you.

      • 1776 Freedom Fighter

        Hey

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanDuckie

          LOL Sorry. I did tweet it once this morning. I’ll try and do it again in a bit. I’ve been offline for a few hours, and busy earlier when I was on. Working on a couple more articles ;) Thank you my friend!

          • 1776 Freedom Fighter

            My mistake, dear friend; I knew I was current with viewing this morn, then I was busy and missed seeing it via your mildly busy Twitter timeline

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanDuckie

            You rock! :) TY!

          • 1776 Freedom Fighter

            Awww shucks,

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanDuckie

            Thank you so much Freedomfriend. I appreciate that very much! :) (((()))))s!

    • 1776 Freedom Fighter

      Amen, dear

  • NYGino

    Is it any wonder that both CNN and NBC cancelled their Hillary Clinton projects? Neither could find anyone willing to give much in the way of first hand accounts of her.

    When reading part of your title to this piece “A (Scary) Look at Hillary Clinton” I got to thinking…is there any other kind?

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanDuckie

      Dang NY, talk about hitting out of the park! Well said!
      About the only claims Hilary has for accomplishments, if one could call it, is riding on Slick’s coat tails. I can’t figure why else she would have “stood by her man” except to use being married to him as a launching pad for her own agenda.

  • aposematic

    Good work Duckie! With the Clintons, so much to keep track of… A few I didn’t know and one I do know that wasn’t mentioned so overall very good job.

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanDuckie

      Thank you aposematic! If you have one that wasn’t mentioned in the article, please feel free to post the link here in comments. I know there were more things I missed, but kind of crunched for space and time, I imagine there are quite a few things left out that folks could read about.Thank you for your comment though! Appreciate you reading it!

  • Camden

    This little nugget also made me ill…

    “Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will
    receive the National Defense University Foundation’s American Patriot
    Award,” reports the Washington Examiner. Of course, the committee
    bestowing the award is packed with Clintonistas like honorary co-chairs Madeleine
    Albright, Leon Panetta and Vernon Jordan, as well as leadership committee folks
    like major Democrat donor Bernard Schwarz, Bush v. Gore attorney David Boies
    and Clinton damage-control specialist Lanny Davis. Add this to the list of
    awards Hillary’s collecting on her way to the Democrat presidential nomination
    for 2016.

    — patriotpost.us

    • NYGino

      Somebody get me a bucket.

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanDuckie

      I did actually write that back in August. Made me sick too, along with the other Benghazi “leaders” promotions! http://politichicks.tv/column/rewards-awards-and-promotion-of-the-left/

      • Camden

        Well Carolyn, I guess I am behind the curve… :) Speaking of Behghazi… How about the Benghazi survivors not being allowed to meet with congress because “they” say it could interupt “their” investigation… What investigation??? They’ve probably been put into the WP Program, never to be seen or heard from again…

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanDuckie

          Oh don’t even get me started. Some witnesses allowed to testify, but only in closed meetings, others hidden away God only knows where. If we ever do get a select committee investigation, why does it feel like it will only be a typical ‘for show only’.
          This is all infuriating.

    • Kathy Leon

      Can you blame these Washington insiders for wanting to make “nice” with Hillary and ingratiate themselves with this very frightening woman? After all, they don’t want to wind up dead like the rest of Clinton’s friends!

      Whether in this life or the next, justice will prevail one day!

  • Camden

    All you women here at Politichicks are just “anti-women” if you don’t like Hi-LIAR-y… LOL.

  • sjmom

    Carolyn, very good article. Though I tried to find it and couldn’t I think I remember hearing Hillary and Bill were involved in the SDS, a very left wing group on college campuses.

  • tinlizzieowner

    If the door ever broke open on the Clinton’s ‘skeleton closet’, it would take a tractor/trailer rig to haul off the bones. ;-)

  • lawngren

    Rogue government. hellary is a poisonous serpent, and so is bill.

    Thanks for posting this. But. Keep looking over your shoulder, Duckie. Don’t go alone into dark places. And remember that assassins are probably wearing body armor, so if you are attacked, aim for exposed skin of throat or head.

  • babsan

    DEMONcrats do NOT need character as they do not have that asset.Evil reigns there and corruption

  • Dawn Garland

    the only accomplishment that hilary has is evil—morally corrup hag!

  • dave

    Huma never will talk – not if she knows what’s good for her. But her relationship to Mrs. Clinton makes me wonder if the next planned successor beyond Hillary is our favorite DC joke, ‘Turgid Tony’ Weiner?

  • BarrackHussein

    This explains the Satan thing.

  • Richard Holmes

    Se kisses the Devil, she loves the Devil, she is the Devils’ whore.

    • Sarah Conner

      And that devils’ whore is huma abadein weiner…

  • Patriot077

    Thanks Duckie for a great article. Another lying commie trying to snake into the White House again. Glad you refreshed our memories of some of the skeletons hanging in the Clinton closet. I’m sure there is still much we don’t know. These people are pure evil.

  • Kylene Gould

    The people need to realize EXACTLY who Hillary Clinton is….she actually spent time defending members of the Black Panther Party for free…….for everyone who has not seen some of the documentaries that the Black Panther Party themselves have made and are available to the public…..everyone in this country should watch them. These people HATE America….they by their own admission openly support Pro-Palestinians AKA: Terrorist……..they want to bring about the redistribution of wealth by brute militant force if necessary….they support the Weather Underground AKA: Terrorist…people think they have basically dissolved from the 60′s and 70′s ….NOT TRUE…they have splintered into smaller groups and still have the same philosophy and are regrouped and extremely organized…I watched a part of a reunion from recent times on this documentary and they are dangerous……WHY????? Has no one brought this to light and questioned Hillary about her affiliation with them. At one point a member of the Panther Party who lives in Cuba by the way…..and was smoking pot and getting high almost the whole time in his interview was laughing about a plane getting hijacked……does Hillary Clinton think it is funny when a plane gets hijacked and say flown into a building burning people alive for the sake of some Islamic and Pro Palestinian terrorists….In Communique 5 one of the public manifesto’s of the Weather Underground it specifically states because America is sooooo terrible they should look to Americas enemies to destroy America…at one point it specifically says “Look to the arabs ” then later it says “Let president Nixon go and speak at the public high school..but GUARD YOUR PLANES….GUARD YOUR CARRIAGES…..and GUARD YOUR CHILDREN!!!! Where was President Bush the morning of 911 (in Florida) ……..at a public school….planes were unguarded…and some ARABS used them to kill people and burn people alive…including Ted Olsens wife Ted was the lawyer that fought before the supreme court for the Florida thing to decide Bush vs Gore that African Americans and radical leftist were extremely pissed-off about……..oh yeah remember one of the planes took off from Newark go online and see what African Americans were pissed off about regarding Newark (I had no idea) people died there in a riot payback you see…there is no way in hell any of these same people (like Hillary) including the ones in charge now should ever be able to hold a public office or have access to classified or sensitive information or be responsible for the security of our nation EVER!!!!!!!!!! Remember Barack Obama’s little flyover (wink..wink) of the New York skyline that radical leftist thought was funny like it was some kind of private joke….it’s because it is….to them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want someone to explain to me why radical leftist and African Americans can collude with terrorists, burn people alive for payback and when they don’t get their way and be walking around free laughing behind our backs like it’s funny when they have blood on their hands!!!!!!!!!

  • Bill

    Just to throw my two cents in. She was fired for stealing records from the archives, then in the paper she wrote for the committee she stated the records never existed. She is one of three lawyers to be fired from such a committee.
    Carter appointed her to head a government owned legal corp for defense. She raised the budget from $90 million to over $390 million per year. Most of the money went to dem campaigns, which a felony. The IG tried investigating the operation. Unable to find enough for a conviction he stated the operation was the most dazzling money laundry he had ever seen.
    As a practicing lawyer at Rose she handled nine court cases. She did not win any of the cases. Also on Whitewater, the Clintons did not invest in Whitewater. Hillary did all of the legal work. During the investigation she could not remember where any of the records went. Years later the records were found in her closet.
    I have seen snakes walk taller than this slut.

  • Daniel F. Melton

    I have not seen mention of the fugitive “fbi files” discovered unsecured in the White House during the clinton reign. Could it be possible that these aformentioned files and their successors are the very reason that both the clinton and obama administrations are “immune” to criticisms and investigations?

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanDuckie

      Why is it that every time I hear the words Files and Clinton in the same sentence, all I can think of is Sandy Burger with files stuffed down his pants?

      • Daniel F. Melton

        Because burger is the poster boy for clintonista incompetence?

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanDuckie

          As pathetic and diabolic as that is, it did make me LOL.

          • Daniel F. Melton

            There’s times ya got to laugh or start screaming and breaking things.

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanDuckie

            Ain’t that the truth! this is the only computer I can afford right now, so instead of tossing it out the front door, I’d rather laugh. :) Thank you Daniel.

          • Daniel F. Melton

            I hit garage sales and pick up dead computers to do the “frankenstein thing” with ‘em. I usualy have two or three “tossers” if ya want ‘em. I use ‘em for rifle targets too.

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanDuckie

            LOL target practice would be fun! I’ve been known to use Bruce Springsteen albums myself. ;)
            That’s a good idea though. My friend’s husband does the same. Used to work for the county recycling plant, and brought home all sorts of electronics. They’ve got a ton of stuff he’s fixed and spare parts. He sold some when he was laid off and it helped keep their bills paid for a few months that way.

          • Daniel F. Melton

            And it keeps ‘em out of landfills along with providing people with cheap computers. I hope your friend’s husband is installing Linux on those rebuilds. Malware isn’t a real problem for Linux like it is with windows and apple operating systems, and it’s free.

  • sandraleesmith46

    Sadly, the fact is the US IS a corporation, and has been so, since 1870, after expunging and replacing the original 13th Amendment, and pssage then ratification of the “replacement”and the 14th, and 15th Amendments, during the Reconstruction years. Prior to that, there was no District of Columbia, just Washington City. And we who pay the bill truly have no voice in how that corporation is run.

  • TexasPGRRider

    “What difference, at This Point, does it make” ? ? ? ALL the difference in the world, when searching for Truth. Well Done, Sister Soldier.

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanDuckie

      Thank you Texas!

  • Sara B

    Let’s book mark this excellent compilation of St. Hilliary’s presidential qualifications to send to those who are still blinded by her “wonderful and compelling” personality.

    • Nealstar

      Sara B,

      You can bookmark it, but web pages disappear, unless you want to spend some time digging through archive.org, but that can disappear too. Obama and his supposedly “tech savvy” 20-30 somethings are responsible for healthcare.gov so I would think their “tech savvy” is limited to typing gibberish on their smart phones with their thumbs, but it’s best not to take any chances. For the past 15 years or so, I’ve taken to copying all worthwhile articles to an MS Word document and saving it on my computer and backing up nightly to two external hard drives. I also download and convert appropriate youtube videos to .avi format so they can be viewed on any computer.

      • Sara B

        Excellent suggestion!

  • Don

    This Oinker Hillery Clinton like her Husband has no Character both of them are among the lowest life forms in our Government even on the face of the Earth.

  • joshuasweet

    love the listing of facts.
    It sure makes me wonder what Obama had on her?

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanDuckie

      I’m still wondering what dear leader has on John Boehner and all the rest of the spineless wonders we have in congress. But good point! Thank you.

  • hmmathis

    James McDougal was being held at a federal prison in Fort Worth, TX, when he died. It was alleged that Slick and Hitlery had the prison guards withhold heart medicine that he needed, and as a result he had a heart attack and died.

    • Daniel F. Melton

      There’s a whole chain of events that started with McDougal failing to provide a urine sample. When he had his heart attack, they sent him to the furthest hospital they could to ensure his demise.

  • Breezeyguy

    Remember when Mother Teresa of Calcutta gave the prayer breakfast speech? Was Hilary the only one who didn’t applaud? Did Bill applaud? I don’t remember.

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanDuckie

      Neither one applauded, and Hilary looked downright disgusted. Good memory!

 
 
 
 

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